{"id":1879,"date":"2025-10-03T14:53:33","date_gmt":"2025-10-03T14:53:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/?post_type=furman-update&#038;p=1879"},"modified":"2025-10-22T15:39:48","modified_gmt":"2025-10-22T15:39:48","slug":"lecture-summary-alexis-de-tocqueville-and-america-two-days-on-tocqueville-conservatism-and-civic-friendship","status":"publish","type":"furman-update","link":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/lectures\/lecture-summary-alexis-de-tocqueville-and-america-two-days-on-tocqueville-conservatism-and-civic-friendship\/","title":{"rendered":"Lecture Summary, Alexis de Tocqueville and America: Two Days on Tocqueville, Conservatism, and Civic Friendship"},"content":{"rendered":"<p data-start=\"358\" data-end=\"604\">In September 2025, the Tocqueville Center at Furman University launched its new academic year with a two-day program featuring <strong data-start=\"485\" data-end=\"499\">Mark Lilla<\/strong>, Professor of the Humanities at Columbia University and one of America\u2019s leading public intellectuals.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"606\" data-end=\"1077\">Over the course of two evenings, Lilla delivered the <strong data-start=\"659\" data-end=\"687\">Walters Memorial Lecture<\/strong> on Tocqueville, equality of conditions, and civic friendship, and then led the year\u2019s first <a href=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/on-discourse\/\"><strong data-start=\"780\" data-end=\"796\">On Discourse<\/strong><\/a> seminar, exploring the contested meanings of \u201cliberal,\u201d \u201cconservative,\u201d \u201cprogressive,\u201d and \u201creactionary.\u201d Together, the events offered a chance for the Furman community and Greenville public to engage in searching conversation about the challenges of democracy in our time.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"606\" data-end=\"1077\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1881 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM-1024x681.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"681\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM-1024x681.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM-768x511.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM-1536x1021.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM-512x340.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM-1280x851.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.25.47-AM.png 1736w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/681;\" \/><\/p>\n<hr data-start=\"1079\" data-end=\"1082\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"1084\" data-end=\"1121\">Day One: Tocqueville and America<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"1123\" data-end=\"1443\">The program opened with the Walters Memorial Lecture. <strong data-start=\"1177\" data-end=\"1193\">Brent Nelsen<\/strong>, Director of the Tocqueville Center, welcomed the audience and introduced Mark Lilla, highlighting his influential books <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Once-Future-Liberal-Identity-Politics\/dp\/0062697455\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3AMVV4BRMQ6RJ&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2ocXEr3wUYUV2wE_ZUI1qh4f_aYduUhTTrku_xoFlODGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.GESO4cfbhNsva0eMpw4sbpGFIbdsVmYO5SgXHVX91nk&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=mark+lilla+once+and+future+liberal&amp;qid=1759500845&amp;sprefix=mark+lilla+once+and+future+libera%2Caps%2C500&amp;sr=8-1\"><em data-start=\"1315\" data-end=\"1344\">The Once and Future Liberal<\/em><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Shipwrecked-Mind-Political-Reaction\/dp\/1590179021\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9._30NOLXjvH-boQKx2YBF9V3iaGN9oO1IPP6vIQaYX8PSU4Z3ZRZ5vINok_Js_Ig21kxbR3koPA80y19CiNQnXVUJuBb6hBSnUNj5jFAyI3c.Ci3izSjRWHcvJZ6k26vTm0Nva1TCXCqM0YZ736i6e4E&amp;qid=1759500880&amp;sr=8-1\"><em data-start=\"1346\" data-end=\"1368\">The Shipwrecked Mind<\/em><\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Stillborn-God-Religion-Politics-Modern\/dp\/1400079136\/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2HDR62FP9D2ZY&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.jM9I7rypjt89X8-XfBPuG7iI7sNtIL8cmhhEtrt4g-VpVgxztSOoH355ngKAmg6Y3yoUwNZDswFpEaXiZrF87dXy8gANzKaHYYmKErQdBIcp3ARN-H5GBpwUgEbZXQc3y8QMpHM_fkltkTgQm98HJZwp2IxTrG_pURrM10t0Vn2DCUAAbcYsyfHsDP3Q5TgBZ0IjhsYhd1OfT1PiQy9L9rLK8AJXmjSL0FUTawy0CdM.kpLECgvh7rCPiot_B01CvtY2NcfEAydf5bjdvjOhoFU&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;keywords=the+stillborn+god&amp;qid=1759500917&amp;sprefix=the+stillborn+%2Caps%2C981&amp;sr=8-1\"><em data-start=\"1370\" data-end=\"1389\">The Stillborn God<\/em><\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Ignorance-Bliss-Wanting-Not-Know\/dp\/1250397847\/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;dib_tag=se&amp;dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.NMw1nG349gOHf246pXCVpraqZEDoUmuWIej0hI1yVWKkEDa4bJfKEph09XWPs5ZPhMVPL_voEiA7XiFSlDBD2_utMl-VoZqyvipsVoynhJ37TjxDfmc9LfW3PLOKPb8q6vV6ri8vqf1aGgq5636bd1jZfHqRJDgX9-8sonzXj0yUth9Molcw0OkRFiQ9RYfQLQWctt2VabDhkjWUIhVy_F7F4WmW7U79TxiGf-CgS54.nt0CGLJ_dVKIo_c4LSKMEa9sciqnUJm7AneCEkaHjNo&amp;qid=1759500955&amp;sr=8-1\"><em data-start=\"1395\" data-end=\"1440\">Ignorance and Bliss: On Wanting Not to Know<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n<h3 data-start=\"1445\" data-end=\"1508\">Lilla\u2019s Lecture: Equality of Conditions as a \u201cBrute Fact\u201d<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"1510\" data-end=\"1598\">Lilla began with the explosive first sentence of Tocqueville\u2019s <em data-start=\"1573\" data-end=\"1595\">Democracy in America<\/em>:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"1600\" data-end=\"1757\">\n<p data-start=\"1602\" data-end=\"1757\">\u201cOf all the novel things which attracted my attention during my stay in the United States, none struck me more forcibly than the equality of conditions.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"1759\" data-end=\"1990\">For Tocqueville, this <strong data-start=\"1781\" data-end=\"1809\">\u201cequality of conditions\u201d<\/strong> was not an idea or a principle, but a <strong data-start=\"1848\" data-end=\"1876\">\u201cbrute, generating fact\u201d<\/strong>\u2014a material reality that created principles, opinions, and even sentiments. Lilla stressed how radical this was:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"1992\" data-end=\"2118\">\n<p data-start=\"1994\" data-end=\"2118\">\u201cHe casually asserts as if it were the most obvious thing in the world that material facts can create non-material facts.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"2120\" data-end=\"2349\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1883 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM-1024x680.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"680\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM-1024x680.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM-768x510.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM-1536x1019.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM-512x340.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM-1280x849.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.29.45-AM.png 1742w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/680;\" \/><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2120\" data-end=\"2349\">From this foundation, Tocqueville saw democracy\u2019s distinctive \u201cemotional weather.\u201d Even when institutions and principles faltered, the lived experience of equality shaped how Americans thought, felt, and related to one another.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"2351\" data-end=\"2699\">Lilla described how shared experience\u2014hardship, cultural homogeneity, and even diet\u2014once helped bind Americans across class lines. In the mid-20th century, he noted, a worker\u2019s dinner plate looked little different from Dwight Eisenhower\u2019s. Today, by contrast, <strong data-start=\"2611\" data-end=\"2646\">education-based class divisions<\/strong> increasingly sort Americans into divergent worlds:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"2701\" data-end=\"2943\">\n<p data-start=\"2703\" data-end=\"2943\">\u201cEven the typical bodies of our two large educational classes are notably different today\u2026 Our universities are machines of conformity into this particular class. And if you haven\u2019t been through that training, you\u2019re just very different.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"2945\" data-end=\"3028\">The crisis of democracy, Lilla suggested, is not only institutional but cultural:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"3030\" data-end=\"3203\">\n<p data-start=\"3032\" data-end=\"3203\">\u201cWe are in a very, very bad place\u2026 a new brute generating fact is producing feelings of distrust, contempt, shame, defensiveness, resentment, antipathy, and withdrawal.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3032\" data-end=\"3203\">\n<\/blockquote>\n<h3 data-start=\"3205\" data-end=\"3226\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1882 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM-1024x679.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"679\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM-1024x679.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM-768x509.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM-1536x1019.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM-512x340.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM-1280x849.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.27.53-AM.png 1740w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/679;\" \/><\/h3>\n<h3 data-start=\"3205\" data-end=\"3226\">Panel Responses<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"3228\" data-end=\"3448\">The lecture was followed by a panel moderated by <strong data-start=\"3277\" data-end=\"3293\">Brent Nelsen<\/strong>, with <strong data-start=\"3300\" data-end=\"3323\">Elizabeth L\u2019Arriv\u00e9e<\/strong> (Rosary College), <strong data-start=\"3342\" data-end=\"3361\">John Barrington<\/strong> (Furman, History), and <strong data-start=\"3385\" data-end=\"3402\">Rob L\u2019Arriv\u00e9e<\/strong> (Furman, Politics &amp; International Affairs).<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3452\" data-end=\"3585\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1886 size-medium lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.33.56-AM-512x768.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.33.56-AM-512x768.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.33.56-AM-683x1024.png 683w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.33.56-AM-768x1151.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.33.56-AM-342x512.png 342w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.33.56-AM.png 770w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 200px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 200\/300;\" \/><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3452\" data-end=\"3585\"><strong data-start=\"3452\" data-end=\"3475\">Elizabeth L\u2019Arriv\u00e9e<\/strong> pressed Lilla on <strong data-start=\"3493\" data-end=\"3513\">republican scale<\/strong> and whether education access strengthens or weakens civic friendship:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"3588\" data-end=\"3869\">\n<p data-start=\"3590\" data-end=\"3869\">\u201cHigher education in Tocqueville\u2019s time would have been much lower than 30 percent. Today we have unprecedented access\u2014how important is that for inclusion?\u201d<br data-start=\"3746\" data-end=\"3749\" \/>Lilla responded that universities now function less as gateways to inclusion and more as engines of class-formation.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"3873\" data-end=\"3965\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-1885 size-medium lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.38-AM-510x768.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"199\" height=\"300\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.38-AM-510x768.png 510w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.38-AM-680x1024.png 680w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.38-AM-768x1156.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.38-AM-340x512.png 340w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.38-AM.png 772w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 199px) 100vw, 199px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 199px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 199\/300;\" \/><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"3873\" data-end=\"3965\"><strong data-start=\"3873\" data-end=\"3892\">John Barrington<\/strong> emphasized Tocqueville\u2019s use of a <strong data-start=\"3927\" data-end=\"3962\">mythic New England origin story<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"3968\" data-end=\"4234\">\n<p data-start=\"3970\" data-end=\"4234\">\u201cIf he fell short as a historian, he succeeded in recording a myth of origins that offered Americans a sense of belonging amid industrial upheaval.\u201d<br data-start=\"4118\" data-end=\"4121\" \/>Lilla noted that Tocqueville\u2019s real purpose was to illuminate French debates through America as a case study.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"4238\" data-end=\"4426\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1884 size-medium lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM-768x513.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM-768x513.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM-1024x684.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM-1536x1026.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM-512x342.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM-1280x855.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.32.13-AM.png 1734w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 300px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 300\/200;\" \/><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"4238\" data-end=\"4426\"><strong data-start=\"4238\" data-end=\"4255\">Rob L\u2019Arriv\u00e9e<\/strong> listed Tocqueville\u2019s <strong data-start=\"4277\" data-end=\"4314\">five mechanisms of fellow feeling<\/strong>\u2014associations, local politics, newspapers, religion, and rough equality\u2014and asked whether they can still hold:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"4429\" data-end=\"4634\">\n<p data-start=\"4431\" data-end=\"4634\">\u201cWhat happens when these break down? Doesn\u2019t it push us toward a friend\/enemy politics?\u201d<br data-start=\"4519\" data-end=\"4522\" \/>Lilla agreed, underscoring Tocqueville\u2019s conviction that <strong data-start=\"4581\" data-end=\"4601\">civic friendship<\/strong> was indispensable for justice.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"4636\" data-end=\"4765\">A student asked how Tocqueville could claim equality of conditions amid slavery and women\u2019s disenfranchisement. Lilla answered:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"4767\" data-end=\"4987\">\n<p data-start=\"4769\" data-end=\"4987\">\u201cThat initial challenge of settling\u2014families facing the wilderness\u2014represented an equality of condition that produced an ideology of equality\u2026 But it blinded us to actual inequalities of the sort you just mentioned.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr data-start=\"4989\" data-end=\"4992\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"4994\" data-end=\"5042\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1887 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM-1024x681.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"681\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM-1024x681.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM-768x511.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM-1536x1021.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM-512x340.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM-1280x851.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.37.49-AM.png 1742w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/681;\" \/><\/h2>\n<h2 data-start=\"4994\" data-end=\"5042\">Day Two: Conservatives Versus Reactionaries<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"5044\" data-end=\"5252\">The following evening featured an <strong data-start=\"5078\" data-end=\"5102\">On Discourse seminar<\/strong>. Nelsen opened with the Center\u2019s community agreements\u2014listening attentively, extending grace, and arguing well\u2014before introducing Lilla once again.<\/p>\n<h3 data-start=\"5254\" data-end=\"5299\">Lilla\u2019s Framework: Four Political Boxes<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"5301\" data-end=\"5402\">Lilla began with a parable about moving apartments and the <strong data-start=\"5360\" data-end=\"5399\">arbitrariness of \u201cboxes\u201d and labels<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"5404\" data-end=\"5676\">\n<p data-start=\"5406\" data-end=\"5676\">\u201cImagine I take a watch that doesn\u2019t work, two dried apricots, a belt, a stapler, and a Sony Walkman and hand it to my wife. To me it\u2019s obvious\u2014it\u2019s my dorm room desk in 1978. To her it\u2019s nonsense. Any grouping is pure convention. The same is true of political terms.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"5678\" data-end=\"5748\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1891 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM-1024x680.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"680\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM-1024x680.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM-768x510.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM-1536x1019.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM-512x340.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM-1280x849.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.39.30-AM.png 1742w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/680;\" \/><\/p>\n<p data-start=\"5678\" data-end=\"5748\">He then proposed distinguishing four familiar labels into two pairs:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-start=\"5752\" data-end=\"5854\"><strong data-start=\"5752\" data-end=\"5782\">Liberals and conservatives<\/strong> \u2192 debate <strong data-start=\"5792\" data-end=\"5808\">human nature<\/strong> and the relation of individual and society.<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"5752\" data-end=\"5854\"><strong data-start=\"5857\" data-end=\"5891\">Progressives and reactionaries<\/strong> \u2192 debate <strong data-start=\"5901\" data-end=\"5912\">history<\/strong>\u2014whether it is moving forward, backward, or broken.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p data-start=\"5967\" data-end=\"5986\">On conservatives:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"5987\" data-end=\"6122\">\n<p data-start=\"5989\" data-end=\"6122\">\u201cSociety is organic; we are born into a pre-existing whole. It changes slowly. It is hard to rationalize or remake without danger.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"6124\" data-end=\"6138\">On liberals:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"6139\" data-end=\"6292\">\n<p data-start=\"6141\" data-end=\"6292\">\u201cThe individual is morally prior. Society exists for the sake of individuals. Freedom and rational reform are possible without collapsing the whole.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"6294\" data-end=\"6312\">On progressives:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"6313\" data-end=\"6434\">\n<p data-start=\"6315\" data-end=\"6434\">\u201cHistory is the story of emancipation, of human beings freed from domination. If stuck, revolution may be necessary.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"6436\" data-end=\"6455\">On reactionaries:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"6456\" data-end=\"6584\">\n<p data-start=\"6458\" data-end=\"6584\">\u201cHistory is the story of decline since modernity. To heal requires counterrevolution, even a muscular rebirth of tradition.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"6586\" data-end=\"6643\">Lilla warned that these labels no longer cohere neatly:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"6645\" data-end=\"6865\">\n<p data-start=\"6647\" data-end=\"6865\">\u201cToday we have liberals who sacrifice liberal principles like free speech in the name of progress, and conservatives who conserve nothing\u2014seeing modernity itself as the disaster. Both are confused. Maybe we all are.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h3 data-start=\"6867\" data-end=\"6891\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1889 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM-1024x681.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"681\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM-1024x681.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM-768x511.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM-1536x1021.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM-512x340.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM-1280x851.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.40-AM.png 1736w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/681;\" \/><\/h3>\n<h3 data-start=\"6867\" data-end=\"6891\">Audience Exchanges<\/h3>\n<p data-start=\"6893\" data-end=\"6937\">The discussion quickly opened to the room:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-start=\"6941\" data-end=\"7045\"><strong data-start=\"6941\" data-end=\"6976\">A student speaking as a Marxist<\/strong> argued the progressive\/reactionary divide was a \u201cfalse dichotomy\u201d:<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote data-start=\"7048\" data-end=\"7524\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 80px\" data-start=\"7050\" data-end=\"7524\">\u201cAny age of history is unprecedented. Even fascism represents not a return but a new epoch. We cannot predict whether proletarian class consciousness would liberate humanity or produce new aristocracy.\u201d<br data-start=\"7252\" data-end=\"7255\" \/>Lilla called it a \u201cbrilliant\u201d articulation of Marxism\u2019s difficulty, then pressed:<br data-start=\"7338\" data-end=\"7341\" \/>\u201cWhy should we think the next stage will be better? Marx and Engels promised fishing in the morning and criticism in the afternoon. But why assume history delivers improvement?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li data-start=\"7528\" data-end=\"7592\"><strong data-start=\"7528\" data-end=\"7547\">Another student<\/strong> asked about libertarianism. Lilla replied:<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote data-start=\"7595\" data-end=\"7795\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 80px\" data-start=\"7597\" data-end=\"7795\">\u201cTo my mind, libertarianism is just the most radical form of liberalism. It recognizes only individuals, not society. But again, the real question is what picture of human nature undergirds that.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<li><strong data-start=\"7799\" data-end=\"7819\">A faculty member<\/strong> raised economics, noting that American conservatism often champions individualism more than liberalism. Lilla agreed the old \u201cfusionism\u201d of free markets plus family values has broken down.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li data-start=\"8014\" data-end=\"8061\"><strong data-start=\"8014\" data-end=\"8033\">One participant<\/strong> pressed him on extremism:<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<blockquote data-start=\"8064\" data-end=\"8559\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 80px\" data-start=\"8066\" data-end=\"8559\">\u201cWhen conservatives and liberals debate, it\u2019s about reforms. But when progressives and reactionaries debate, history itself is at stake. That raises the threat level.\u201d<br data-start=\"8233\" data-end=\"8236\" \/>Lilla recalled:<br data-start=\"8253\" data-end=\"8256\" \/>\u201cWhen I grew up, radicalism was on the left. Now it\u2019s on the right. Young people lecture me about the 1950s as if they\u2019d lived there. The mythology of a lost world drives them. Every event becomes apocalyptic. That spirit of apocalypse once belonged to the left. Now it drives the populist right.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-start=\"8561\" data-end=\"8602\">\n<p data-start=\"8561\" data-end=\"8602\">The evening ended with Lilla\u2019s caution:<\/p>\n<blockquote data-start=\"8604\" data-end=\"8719\">\n<p data-start=\"8606\" data-end=\"8719\">\u201cWe don\u2019t need nostalgia to critique the present. We can simply say: this is no way to live. We can do better.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr data-start=\"8721\" data-end=\"8724\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"8726\" data-end=\"8756\">Takeaways Across Two Days<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li data-start=\"8760\" data-end=\"8934\"><strong data-start=\"8760\" data-end=\"8786\">Equality of conditions<\/strong>: Tocqueville saw material equality as the foundation of democratic sentiment. Today, widening education-based divisions threaten that foundation.<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"8937\" data-end=\"9075\"><strong data-start=\"8937\" data-end=\"8957\">Civic friendship<\/strong>: Justice depends on the ordinary recognition of fellow citizens. Fragmented habits and styles of life corrode this.<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"9078\" data-end=\"9223\"><strong data-start=\"9078\" data-end=\"9114\">Political labels are provisional<\/strong>: Liberal, conservative, progressive, reactionary\u2014these are \u201csticky labels on boxes,\u201d not eternal essences.<\/li>\n<li data-start=\"9226\" data-end=\"9367\"><strong data-start=\"9226\" data-end=\"9251\">Extremism has shifted<\/strong>: The spirit of apocalyptic radicalism has moved from the left to the populist right, reshaping American politics.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr data-start=\"9369\" data-end=\"9372\" \/>\n<h2 data-start=\"9374\" data-end=\"9392\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1888 lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM-1024x683.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"683\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM-1024x683.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM-768x512.png 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM-1536x1025.png 1536w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM-512x342.png 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM-1280x854.png 1280w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/10\/Screenshot-2025-10-03-at-10.38.24-AM.png 1736w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/683;\" \/><\/h2>\n<h2 data-start=\"9374\" data-end=\"9392\">Looking Ahead<\/h2>\n<p data-start=\"9394\" data-end=\"9695\">The Tocqueville Center thanks <strong data-start=\"9424\" data-end=\"9438\">Mark Lilla<\/strong> for inaugurating the 2025\u201326 year with two evenings of vigorous conversation. His reflections on Tocqueville, civic friendship, and the confusions of political language left students and community members with new frameworks for thinking about democracy.<\/p>\n<p data-start=\"9697\" data-end=\"9958\">Our next event, <strong data-start=\"9713\" data-end=\"9754\">\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/event\/religion-and-the-american-founding\/\">Religion and the American Founding,<\/a>\u201d<\/strong> will feature <strong data-start=\"9768\" data-end=\"9794\">Mark Noll (Notre Dame)<\/strong> and <strong data-start=\"9799\" data-end=\"9823\">Caitlin Chess (Duke)<\/strong> on <strong data-start=\"9827\" data-end=\"9848\">October 7\u20138, 2025<\/strong>. We invite all members of the Furman and Greenville communities to join us as we continue the conversation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In September 2025, the Tocqueville Center at Furman University launched its new academic year with a two-day program featuring Mark Lilla, Professor of the Humanities at Columbia University and one [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":1880,"template":"","update-categories":[10],"class_list":["post-1879","furman-update","type-furman-update","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","furman-update-category-past-lectures"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/lectures\/1879","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/lectures"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/furman-update"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/lectures\/1879\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1938,"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/lectures\/1879\/revisions\/1938"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1880"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1879"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"furman-update-category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/update-categories?post=1879"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}