{"id":1472,"date":"2025-03-17T13:27:51","date_gmt":"2025-03-17T13:27:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/?post_type=furman-update&#038;p=1472"},"modified":"2025-03-17T13:56:03","modified_gmt":"2025-03-17T13:56:03","slug":"interview-melissa-kearney-on-marriage-policy-and-economic-trends","status":"publish","type":"furman-update","link":"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/lectures\/interview-melissa-kearney-on-marriage-policy-and-economic-trends\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Melissa Kearney on &#8220;Marriage, Policy, and Economic Trends&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-1473 size-thumbnail lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-9.09.16-AM-150x150.png\" alt=\"Melissa Kearney asks Do two-parent families benefit children more?\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-9.09.16-AM-150x150.png 150w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/Screenshot-2025-03-17-at-9.09.16-AM.png 360w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 150px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 150\/150;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>Melissa Kearney is the Neil Moskowitz Professor of Economics at the University of Maryland. She<\/em><br \/>\n<em>is also the Director of the Aspen Economic Strategy Group; a Research Associate at the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER); and a non-resident Senior Fellow at Brookings. She visited the Tocqueville Center in February &#8217;25 to speak at our event, co-hosted with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/on-discourse\/\">On Discourse<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/lectures\/summary-of-the-american-family-discuss-with-on-discourse\/\">&#8220;The American Family. Discuss.&#8221;<\/a>\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tocqueville Center:\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">As a political theorist, I tend to think in terms of principles, law, and their broader implications. This leads me to the relationship between private institutions, like marriage, and their connection to public policy and law.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">One thing I wanted to ask about is the historical trajectory of marriage over the past 80 years or so. As you point out, there has been a decline in marriage rates, and, correspondingly, an increase in economic disadvantages\u2014especially for children raised in single-parent households.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Would you say that government policies on marriage have shaped the public\u2019s understanding of what marriage is, and perhaps inadvertently contributed to its decline?<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Melissa Kearney:\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s an interesting question. As an economist, I see marriage as a long-term legal contract between two adults who pool their resources. In this sense, the government&#8217;s role is primarily in defining and regulating that legal contract.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This perspective on marriage is somewhat dry\u2014it sets aside questions of love, personal fulfillment, and happiness, focusing instead on its practical aspects. Historically, marriage was a fundamentally practical institution. The idea that marriage is primarily about love and happiness is relatively modern.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">When fewer people enter into this contract\u2014particularly when children are involved\u2014more children are raised in single-parent households, which often means fewer resources for them. That\u2019s the reality from a practical standpoint.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"padding-left: 40px\"><strong data-start=\"49\" data-end=\"189\">&#8220;Marriage was a fundamentally practical institution. The idea that marriage is primarily about love and happiness is relatively modern.&#8221;<\/strong><\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Another point to consider is that while we tend to think of marriage as a deeply personal decision, the government is already involved in various ways\u2014often in ways we don\u2019t explicitly acknowledge. Our tax code, social welfare policies, and transfer programs are all structured around family units.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">For example, married couples file taxes jointly. Eligibility for Medicaid or housing assistance is often determined by combined household income. So, when we ask whether the government should have policies on marriage, the reality is that it already does. The question is whether those policies incentivize or disincentivize marriage.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1474 size-large lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/income-tax-4097292_1280-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"Two-parent families and child well-being\" width=\"1024\" height=\"682\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/income-tax-4097292_1280-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/income-tax-4097292_1280-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/income-tax-4097292_1280-512x341.jpg 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/income-tax-4097292_1280.jpg 1280w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/682;\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">If we evaluated policies through the lens of how they affect marriage incentives, we might reconsider aspects of our tax code and welfare programs. In many ways, current policies create disincentives to marriage, particularly for lower-income individuals.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">From a policy perspective, if we agree that marriage is beneficial\u2014especially for children\u2014then we should structure policies with that in mind. I argue that children are often overlooked in policymaking. If we prioritized what\u2019s best for them, we would likely see different approaches to marriage-related policies.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That said, while there are policy changes that could help remove marriage disincentives, I don\u2019t believe they are the primary reason for the decline in marriage.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"padding-left: 40px\"><strong data-start=\"403\" data-end=\"556\">&#8220;If we evaluated policies through the lens of how they affect marriage incentives, we might reconsider aspects of our tax code and welfare programs.&#8221;<\/strong><\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">The decline in marriage has occurred primarily outside the college-educated population. More economically vulnerable groups have moved away from marriage, which has deepened economic insecurity and widened class inequality. College-educated adults are still getting married at rates similar to those of the 1980s and 1990s. That\u2019s not the case for those without a college degree.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Two major factors contribute to this trend. First, there were broad social, cultural, legal, and institutional changes in the 1960s and 1970s\u2014shifts in gender norms, expectations, and broader social revolutions. These changes led to a decrease in marriage rates across the board.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">However, in the 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s, marriage rates stabilized for the college-educated, while they continued to decline among those without a college degree.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">My interpretation of the data suggests that while changing social norms made marriage less essential, economic shifts disproportionately affected non-college-educated men. Job losses, declining wages, and reduced economic stability made them less desirable marriage partners in practical terms.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1475 alignright lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/broke-4765739_1280-768x381.jpg\" alt=\"Unemployed men struggle to stay married, which negatively impacts two-parent families and child well-being\" width=\"300\" height=\"149\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/broke-4765739_1280-768x381.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/broke-4765739_1280-1024x508.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/broke-4765739_1280-512x254.jpg 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/broke-4765739_1280.jpg 1280w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 300px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 300\/149;\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"padding-left: 40px\">&#8220;The decline in marriage has occurred primarily outside the college-educated population, deepening economic insecurity and widening class inequality.&#8221;<\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Once women had greater economic independence and could earn as much as men, the practical benefits of marriage changed. If men without college degrees face lower employment rates and declining earnings\u2014both in absolute terms and relative to women\u2014the economic incentives for marriage weaken.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">This trend did not affect college-educated individuals in the same way. So, if we\u2019re asking what government policies could do to strengthen marriage rates, I believe the biggest impact would come from policies aimed at improving the economic security and job prospects of non-college-educated men.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tocqueville Center:\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s really interesting\u2014you don\u2019t hear this perspective discussed very often. Do you feel like your position is in the minority?<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Melissa Kearney:\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">It\u2019s hard to say. In my research, this connection between economic shifts and marriage decline has been fairly obvious for a while. But when I bring it up in panels or discussions, I often get the reaction you just had\u2014people say, \u201cI haven\u2019t heard this framed this way before.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s actually why I wrote my book. At first, I wondered if my perspective was already widely known. But as I wrote, I realized that much of this research exists in academic journals that aren\u2019t widely read outside scholarly circles. Even among academics, research tends to be very specialized.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">For example, I\u2019d discuss these ideas with members of my book club\u2014people who are well-read but not economists or policy experts. Many assumed that marriage rates were declining across all groups because women were prioritizing careers. Some believed that in places like the Midwest, most people still marry their high school sweethearts right after college.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s not what the data show at all. These misconceptions made me realize that important research findings weren\u2019t reaching the broader public.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-1476 size-large lazyload\" data-src=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/mobile-home-5279537_1280-1024x593.jpg\" alt=\"Declining marriage rates disproportionately affect the non-college educated classes\" width=\"1024\" height=\"593\" data-srcset=\"https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/mobile-home-5279537_1280-1024x593.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/mobile-home-5279537_1280-768x445.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/mobile-home-5279537_1280-512x296.jpg 512w, https:\/\/www.furman.edu\/academics\/tocqueville-program\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/67\/2025\/03\/mobile-home-5279537_1280.jpg 1280w\" data-sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB3aWR0aD0iMSIgaGVpZ2h0PSIxIiB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciPjwvc3ZnPg==\" style=\"--smush-placeholder-width: 1024px; --smush-placeholder-aspect-ratio: 1024\/593;\" \/><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Tocqueville Center:<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">One final question before we wrap up: What do you think is the most important takeaway from your research for college students?<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Melissa Kearney:\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">I think it\u2019s crucial for young people to understand that the data consistently show that two-parent families provide significant benefits for children.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<h3 style=\"padding-left: 40px\"><strong data-start=\"954\" data-end=\"1165\">&#8220;Two-parent families provide significant benefits for children. While single parents work incredibly hard, on average, children from two-parent households have greater access to resources and opportunities.&#8221;<\/strong><\/h3>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Of course, many children raised by single parents do exceptionally well. And single parents\u2014both moms and dads\u2014work incredibly hard to provide the best for their children. But, on average, children from two-parent households have access to greater resources and opportunities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">We need to be honest about these realities. Class disparities and family structures matter, and we shouldn\u2019t shy away from acknowledging that out of a desire to avoid difficult conversations. Not all family structures have the same outcomes, and understanding these differences is essential if we want to create policies that help more people achieve stability.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">At the same time, we need to have thoughtful discussions about how to support individuals who aren\u2019t in those situations\u2014whether through economic policies, education, or other means.<\/span><\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">Toqueville Center:\u00a0<\/span><\/h3>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400\">That\u2019s a great point. Thank you so much for your time\u2014this was a really insightful conversation!<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Melissa Kearney is the Neil Moskowitz Professor of Economics at the University of Maryland. 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